1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

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1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:04 pm

Hi all,
I am a bit short of time with finishing my dio, so I want to use Trumpeter styrene kit for my train, because that will go together much faster than CMK. But I will build both kits anyway (Trumpeter for early and CMK for late model) to find out the differences between them (if any), everything will be mentioned during my work. A few words to be said.This loco is exact copy of CMK kit, now in styrene. Unfortunately the same like BR 52 some time ago, exact copy with all the mistakes made by CMK on the kit before. Even the same numbers 86 245 and 86 271. I´d really like to know, what reference Trumpeter used for their kit, if any? A bit of history:
The work on 86 245 started at very end of 1935, and the finished loco (serial number 3291) left the Schichau-Werke factory 10.3.1936. So I´d say that 86 245 in red and black painting scheme from 1935 year mentioned in CMK instructions is :?: ???
I would doubt the red wheels anyway. The loco went in Schwerin and Rostock direction to start its duty. After the end of the WWII, BR 86 245 was taken by Soviet block within the scope of the war compensations, and it held its duty in Eastern Germany DDR in Rostock and Dresden area. 19.2.1980 the BR 86 245 was sold to Wustermark as a heating loco. Probably in 1985 it finished its life at loco cemetery in Berlin.
Trumpeter´s kit is very, very simplified the same way like the CMK´s one was, many parts just missing or even wrong. Since 1934 most manufacturers started with double body compressors for BR 86 serie, the chassis were improved and that changed the length of the main connecting rods. Also new steam injector came out, free axles were changed and many more, but this is mostly about parts missing in the kit anyway. There is improved steam cylinder used on the kit, but still old single compressor. BR 86 245 had double one mounted on from manufacturer. Also with second number 271 Trumpeter follows CMK and I am currently checking, if grey painting scheme for this loco number was right. Br 86 271 was manufactured also in Schichau-Werke factory, serial number 3306. Loco left the factory 9th of January 1937, in Frankfurt and Altenkirchen direction, after WWII used to service around Nuremberg and finaly the loco finished its life 11th of December 1968. That means its construction was also very different from the kit, which seems to be closer to some BR 86 loco manufactured before 1931, but then probably with wrong later cylinder. I will bring exact informations, when my research is completed. A picture of real BR86 245 to compare.

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I have more than 800 shots taken just for my BR 86 build. I will follow BR 86 283, what can be seen in steam loco museum in Neuenmarkt, Germany, and I will also keep its grey painting, used by Orenstein and Koppel, manufacturer from Berlin. They also used improved, but still single body Tolkien-Knorr compressor instead of older Nielebock-Knorr one for their 4 locos (282-285) built between 25.10.1937 and 2.1. 1938. The cylinders were new construction, different from very first BR 86´s. BR 86 283 left the factory 3.11.1937 in grey color, but I am not sure yet about the others. The truth is that some BR 86 locos were painted in grey (water base paints used) mostly for propaganda and photographing purpose, and very soon they were repainted in regular black or black and red colors. Just very few of them were left in their unusual grey color for longer time, and two or three locos had painting in combination grey and black. Many more pictures were added in reference section at my website.
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I will try to use as much as I can from the box, however, many parts have to be modified or scratch built. I will add as many details as possible. First update is coming in no time.
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby Siara » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:28 pm

Good luck Libor- i cant wait for the update.
Theres something appealing in the locomotives, and i like the look of them. Maybe one day...
I dont think im grown enough to pick such task, thats why i will stick to supporting others do it. 8)
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby subgrafik » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:15 am

looking for progress,
good luck.

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:58 am

Thank you, guys, for your supportive comments. I have done some checking here, but I am not sure where to start. First I have to say I was a bit wrong, when I said that Trumpeter made exact copy of CMK kit. Well, they did anyway, but at least they have fixed wrong length of the frame (CMK kit is over 5mm shorter than it suppose to be). Here the length is fixed, but that means all the proportions in cabin area are wrong now....
CMK frame parts have right thickness, but not Trumpeter. Their frame is very funny looking and too far from reality, here are pictures to compare Trumpeter, CMK and real thing.

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For me that means to leave it, because it is in hiden area anyway, or to scratch build whole frame.
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:21 pm

Finally I started building. First the boiler halves glued together, and I tried to do small curving here and there, what should be looking more naturally, when polished and painted. The rings around the boiler were sanded to their right thickness and pipe on the right side was sanded off.

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Then I worked on ash box. I made appearance of riveted metal panels and also indicated their lines. Both upper part´s edges with wash holes are wrong in the kit, they are suppose to be rounded. I will make it right now, and then I will add missing wash holes ond the sides and also doors etc. on the lower part of the ash box.

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:45 pm

Another small job done on the lower ash box, a door added and few more plates. For the opposite side I have made quick resin casting.

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All the parts glued on the ash box, which is ready for surfacer now. Continued with upper part, I have shaped both wash holes areas, thin plastic sheet used for riveted welt, and everything put together, just the lid castings are to be added later. Whole thing is glued together, and other wash holes drilled on the sides. Here I have used Eduard PE´s for riveted welts.

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Thanks for looking
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:28 pm

I added rivets on the sandboxes and steam domes, I will make their lids from thin metal sheet, which I will use also for making the extra metal panels. For details I want to find spare PE´s. My next step is the cabin, what seems to be quiet hard task. Almost all details on the firewall are wrong, so I sanded them off and I am gonna rework them. I have marked things I have to start with, missing wash holes, changed riveting etc. The lower wash holes on the sides are placed too down, so I have to fill them and move them to their right positions. Next pictures shows my progress on this part. Bases for the level indicators made and mounted on, the wash holes moved into their right position. There is a kind of sci-fi bunch of five funny sized readers in the kit instead of eight readers inside the real loco. I have kept just one of them, which can be used, the rest is scratch built already and dry-fitted. Now I will continue with them.
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:25 am

Continued with interior, I have scratch built some pipes and steam valve, also most on the crowbar regulator done.

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby lupanzer » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:19 am

Dear Libor.

...excelent work!...nice subject ...following with a big interest!

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:50 pm

Thank you, Luiz, you´re very welcome. My next task is three way valve with some single ones and all the pipes around, and then an oil pump beside, another nut to crack

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:06 am

Steam valve completed and dry fitted, I have also built a tool box. Continued on the firewall, covers for level indicators added, all the wash holes are ready for their lids and wooden texture applied on the roof.
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Now I glued front part of the firewall on the boiler, earlier mentioned bad fitting had to be fixed with putty and sanded. I will check and resand it after surfacer again. Parts of the coal container glued together, I have sanded off wiring and other details, because they need to be reworked. Also all oval windows will need extra work and changes, so far I have sanded off parts of them. Inside walls filled, sanded and a bit changed. Two small side boxes on BR86 283 are various and different from the kit ones, I will use their bases and make new lids. The box at the front of the coal box is not bad, just some extra details to be added.

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:06 am

Steam valve completed and dry fitted, I have also built a tool box. Continued on the firewall, covers for level indicators added, all the wash holes are ready for their lids and wooden texture applied on the roof.
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Now I glued front part of the firewall on the boiler, earlier mentioned bad fitting had to be fixed with putty and sanded. I will check and resand it after surfacer again. Parts of the coal container glued together, I have sanded off wiring and other details, because they need to be reworked. Also all oval windows will need extra work and changes, so far I have sanded off parts of them. Inside walls filled, sanded and a bit changed. Two small side boxes on BR86 283 are various and different from the kit ones, I will use their bases and make new lids. The box at the front of the coal box is not bad, just some extra details to be added.

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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby MoeLDERS » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:08 am

libor wrote:......After the end of the WWII, BR 86 245 was taken by Soviet block within the scope of the war compensations, and it held its duty in Eastern Germany DDR in Augsburg area. 19.2.1980 the BR 86 245 was sold to Wustermark as a heating loco. .....


Hey my Friend!
i just want to whisper that the City of Ausgburg is located in Bavaria. Bavaria was US controlled after the war, so its west germany. South germany actualy, but not a part of the former GDR. :oops:

Great progress with nice modifications. Keept it up!
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:16 pm

Hi buddy
you are absolutely right, my mistake, I probably looked at wrong number 254, which was in service in Augsburg area, the BR86 245 held its duty after war certainly in Eastern Germany DDR area around Rostock and Dresden. Sorry about the confusions :oops: :oops:
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Re: 1/35 Trumpeter BR 86 Dampflokomotive

Postby libor » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:48 am

Small wheel from the kit reworked to the needed one.
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Now the wheel in surfacer ready for making the mould together with some other small parts. Small progress on tender done as well, surfacer painted and another coat will be applied when everything is resanded and polished. Some small details will be added after that and these areas will be ready for paint.

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I got ready platform for the tender, which is not metal, but wooden one in my case, and I finished other masters for small parts, this time level indicator levers and holders for all handwheel rods. They will be cast in two parts and their high will be set during assembly.

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